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Attorneys. he did the same thing with michael flynn. he did not try to pierce that. many prosecutors would take a different tact and certainly congress could. it certainly does seem like there is a good case to be made for the crime fraud exception. a very strong well established exception. if you do that, we might get more to the bottom of really what the different communications were. and you're right. someone shouldn't be able to insulate them just themselves, just by using cut-outs. especially by using attorneys. that's an old mob tactic. we have to really scrutinize that and make sure we ...

This. my father-in-law is in the clothing business came into this country from the expulsion of jews from the ukraine, he came to this country and worked hard and he's now enjoying his retirement. i never in my life would think that mr. trump would do something so disgraceful. he's attacking him because he knows that i care about my family and to hurt me, he's trying to hurt me. my father-in-law was the biggest investment happens to be in the trump's property. it does not make any sense to me. i want to be real clear about that. as the chairman has said retaliating witnesses and threatening fa...

And glen kirschner, former federal prosecutor. there's -- you know, 350e7ival used very strong language. mob tactics is something members of congress have said. as a federal prosecutor, what do you think? >> it is mob tactic. i it don't think that's hyperbole. i did mob cases for 15 years and this is right out of their playbook. >> so you had a cooperating witness and someone else would publicly tell that person. >> this is why it's harder for people to maybe see. so i think glen and i have both used this analogy, this hypothatical to explain it. if i was prosecuting a mob boss and one of his ...

From him. >> meanwhiles there trr a growing concern about the president's obvious witness tampering. what they're describing as mob tactics in front of all of our faces. and glen kirschner, former federal prosecutor. there's -- you know, 350e7ival used very strong language. mob tactics is something members of congress have said. as a federal prosecutor, what do you think? >> it is mob tactic. i it don't think that's hyperbole. i did mob cases for 15 years and this is right out of their playbook. >> so you had a cooperating witness and someone else would publicly tell that person. >> this is wh...

Himself. >> what about the conditions, because to be frankly, lanny, you know as well as i, a congress that cannot agree to even open the government on a short term basis is not going to agree on a measure of censure against the president of the united states in a bipartisan way, that isn't going to happen. so will michael cohen testify if subpoenaed under terms perhaps not in open session, witnesses testify all the time to all of these committees in private. will he honor a subpoena? >> well, of course he will honor the subpoena. but what he will do as a result of the subpoena is a legal issu...