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Stunning. he is proving to the information now that the special counsel is getting and not only that, he you can have a president compromised by the russians and raises the question of obstruction and says by the way he felt like he was investigating that this was like some kind of a mob thing where the president was trying to get him into the family and make sure he was a cooperating, loyal, part of the family here and the notion again and this goes back at the president being compromised potentially by the russian, the notion that the first respond was not are you kidding me? can we do to ma...

Saying for months which is that it was a hoax and there was no med diding. >> it seems like he has been so sensitive to any mention of the russians, anybody in his cabinet is afraid to mention it, it's like a mob thing, don't mention that to the boss, don't say russian to him. >> it's a deep emotional thing for him. you look at the indictment and the breadth of operation by the russians, you have to wonder if he is concerned he couldn't win without the russians and couldn't win again without their help. >> what gives you you the sense of magnitude like that, that they were able to move thousan...

You have to think that mueller is looking more closely at this and that we shouldn't necessarily take them for their word when they say this guy is a nobody. >> it's a mob thing. i don't know anything. i don't remember that guy. carter page spoke to the house intelligence committee today just days after he told chris hayes that he might have had correspondence with papadopoulos about russia among other things. let's hear him. >> were you guys on email chains together, you and papadopoulos? >> look, there's a lot of emails all over the place when you're in a campaign. >> yeah, but yes or no. we...

Walk down the block and look tough. everybody knows that means he's scared and pence gets drawn into this like a mob thing. trump gets involved in getting rid of comey. all of a sudden he's a possible victim. i'm sorry, perhaps suspect. perhaps person of interest in an obstruction clean. -- obstruction case. pence is clean. he normally would not do anything like this. >> it's right to say pence hiring outside counsel doesn't mean he's guilty of anything or suspected. but if you're a possible witness be to something that will be investigated like what the president said about -- >> he was sitti...

Face that tough guy thing he puts on his face. i have to look tough like a street corner guy. i have to look tough. everyone knows that means he's scared and pence gets drawn into this like a mob thing. trump gets involved in getting rid of comey. all of a sudden he's a possible victim. perhaps suspect. perhaps person of interest in an obstruction clean. pence is clean. >> it's right to say pence hiring outside counsel doesn't mean he's guilty of anything or suspected. if you're a possible witness to something that will be investigated like what the president said about -- >> he was sitting in...