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Card there, a job title there. there's been some continuing -- >> and after trump was questioned under oath in our litigation about whether or not he was concerned about felix sater's mob ties at the end of 2007 and yet three years after that and sater continues as consultant to the company. and a decade later is still in contact with the president's term attorney. >> in terms of the question, again, about whether this is not just association but related to the current stuff, am i also right that one of the people who bob mueller brought on is special counsel one of the lawyers working with hi...

York times reported earlier this year, he surfaced as one of the people trying to push a ukraine peace proposal to the white house. so why someone who the president has said for years that he didn't know didn't know very well ends up with the president's own personal attorney pushing a peace plan and clearly still in the order of the white house is an open and interesting question. >> also, famously felix sater had a business card as a trump organization senior advisor after they shut down. >> that's correct. >> they closed that portion of the business relationship but personally was still inv...

What do you think? >> i agree with jim. using unofficial channels is commonplace, but it's done with with sitting government. i don't understand what the rush was. they could have waited until after inauguration. i also question the use of eric prince, if he was directed by the white house. i don't know why you would use erik prince. it seems like a conflict of interest. he's worked with the nato government and has close ties there. i don't think he's the best person, also, in a position to do this negotiation. >> michael, you had news of a canceled meeting between president trump and the bank...

I don't know why you would user i can prince. it seems like a conflict of interest. he's worked with the nato government and has close ties there. i don't think he's the best person, also, in a position to do this negotiation. >> michael, you had news of a canceled meeting between president trump and the bank when the bank was suspended of mob ties. what was that all about? >> this is perhaps another dimension when we talk about a russian influence campaign. there is a guy, alec torsion, he is deputy adviser of the central bank, he is a close ally with president putin, and he has forged relati...

This. >> and not only deutsche bank having ties, but you also have the white house in a yahoo! news article back out of a meeting. canceling a meeting with a russian after learning he had mob ties. this is a problem of the image of that as well. >> well, yes. but let's focus on the real substance of this here. as doran was saying, the russians are a government response sored network of international criminals. donald is deeply in debt to deutsche bank, who has already been fined $20 billion, including $650 million fine. i think that's the number. for laundering $10 billion of russian money. th...