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Doing and scandinavian nation are doing, they understand three things. you have to change behavior and model behavior, two, you have to provide for addiction treatment behind bars and outside. you have to address the problem of addiction. third, you also have to prove transitional housing. you just can't allow somebody to be released into the community with a hand shake and bus ticket and think it's going to work. communal sober housing is important. >> it begins recognizing these are human beings, right? the idea of the justice system is you come out and-once you served your time you get a fr...

Model behavior. two, you have to provide for addiction treatment behind bars and outside. you have to address the problem of addiction. third, you also have to prove transitional housing. you just can't allow somebody to be released into the community with a hand shake and bus ticket and think it's going to work. communal sober housing is important. >> it begins with recognizing these are human beings, right? the idea of the justice system is you come out and -- once you served your time you get a fresh start. >> just to pick up on that, i have the women say everyday i am a precious and valuab...

Are doing, they understand three things. you have to change behavior and model behavior. two, you have to provide for addiction treatment behind bars and outside. you have to address the problem of addiction. third, you also have to prove transitional housing. you just can't allow somebody to be released into the community with a hand shake and bus ticket and think it's going to work. communal sober housing is important. >> it begins with recognizing these are human beings, right? the idea of the justice system is you come out and -- once you served your time you get a fresh start. >> just to ...

A checkerboard -- >> i saint playing in my head. i just don't see where it can hurt anybody to let somebody have something semiconstructive to do in their cell. >> ask the law library clerk to bring you a copy of the reg and see if you're supposed to have chess pieces. >> you run this place. >> i follow the regs. >> that's what i'm saying. that's your decision. >> and i follow the regs. >> the regs say we're supposed to be able to have books in here, don't it? >> nope. >> it's segregation. it wasn't meant to be nice. you ain't here for going to church. you ain't here because you were doing som...

>> ask the law library to bring you a copy of the admin regs. see if it says you're allowed to have chess pieces. >> you the man, you run this place. >> i follow the regs. >> that's what i'm saying. that's your decision. >> i follow the regs. >> we supposed to be able to have books here. >> that's what i'm telling you. if they said that, you'd have them. >> it's segregation. it wasn't meant to be nice. you ain't here because you were doing something constructive. if you had been doing something constructive -- >> i was doing something constructive when they [ bleep ] with me down the hall. >> ...