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Now, that is not pursuing terrorism. that's not pursuing criminals. there are ways to do that. what i'm saying is, there's a way to do this without violating the privacy of innocent people. and we had that way worked out. we weren't chosen by the director of nsa, michael hayden. he didn't even come down to see what our suggestions were. his deputy director did, named bill black, and he said, my gosh. you guys have made major breakthroughs. why are you being so modest? so the whole story has not been told about this whole business. >> we're working on getting the whole story out. i know you kno...

The senior administration official also tells me there is an acknowledgment in the administration of a trust gap with american citizens and also with foreign citizens and this has had an impact on american businesses abroad. you'll remember that yesterday, you had the heads of all the major american tech companies in the white house complaining about these effects because they have lost business overseas, to the tune of $35 billion, because their customers, for instance, in europe, don't want to have their communications monitored by the nsa or they're worried about it. you have the administra...