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Last night. we all hold our leaders to different standards. joe biden, in a debate like that, would be fine if he were running for congress, if he were running for the senate. i personally found it off-putting as a vice president. i prefer the lloyd bentsen approach, if you're going to take somebody apart, do it with a low, steady voice. i'm just wondering, what are your thoughts stylistically? did joe biden -- joe biden do what joe biden had to do last night? were you, as a washington guy that's been around this for a long time, did you find it off-putting, or do you think it was called for? ...

Say, you're wrong. first of all, ask why he's smiling at the end of that. listen, that answer was off-putting for two reasons. one, he threw the intelligence community under the bus. and it's just not a smart thing to do. the second thing is, yeah, i'll come to you, howard, in a second. and the second thing is -- and i'll just direct it to you, howard, he got the facts completely wrong when he said nobody told us we needed more troops. the state department was told. we heard this, the people that were on the ground were begging for more troops and they didn't get them. >> here's the problem. i...

He had command of the issues. and that is a guy, if you had to have it, you could see as the vice president of the united states. i think in the long run, this won't matter a great deal. i don't know if the rest of you agree. we get past this next presidential debate. i think it was sort of a slide past it. >> i agree, i think it pushes it to the next debate and the pressure is really on the president. i'm really looking for either of these candidates and campaigns to make tough choices and tough decisions. and there were two times last night where i think they both missed an opportunity. one ...

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