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People that i talk to for a recent story i did, and i went back and talked to people who had worked with him when he was speaker, worked with him before he was speaker. they're very surprised. they didn't see this coming. and i think that, yes, they -- people -- they imagine that people are out there kind of thinking, this guy is going to be able to go head to head with the president at the debates. he knows the lay of the land. i think many of the tea party people who wanted the outsider are modifying what they want. they realize there's no one else who's running for president who fits that m...

You heard talking points memo, baseballly fed them a line of bull that these people believe and got them riled up on purpose, on purpose, bernie. they did it in a calculated manner. do you disagree? >> yeah. i don't know that i would agree you on purpose thing. my theory about this kind of stuff all along has been that there is no conspiracy, even within the media. they just have a point of view and the point of view is that they sympathize with this demonstration whereas they never sympathize with the tea party demonstrations. so, they put out information that has been -- >> bill: is there a ...

Baseballly fed them a line of bull that these people believe and got them riled up on purpose, on purpose, bernie. they did it in a calculated manner. do you disagree? >> yeah. i don't know that i would agree you on purpose thing. my theory about this kind of stuff all along has been that there is no conspiracy, even within the media. they just have a point of view and the point of view is that they sympathize with this demonstration whereas they never sympathize with the tea party demonstrations. so, they put out information that has been -- >> bill: is there a way to prevent this from happen...

>> naomi, you were managing director at goldman sachs. did you ever for a client, manufacture a deliberately-exploding bond, the way that goldman sachs is accused of manufacturing one for john paulson, where basically john paulson, the hedge fund manager, got to design which pieces of the car he would remove? goldman sachs, as the car dealer, went out and sold it and then paulson and goldman together bet against the future of this automobile. were you involved in this sort of thing? >> i did do research on the initial sites of cdo's, i am guilty on that. i think the level of deception and alle...

Breed fraud and deception. and so -- >> but it's worse than that. and i'm sorry to interrupt you. if you look at what they were doing or what they stand accused of, manufacturing a deliberately-exploding bond or car, on purpose. john paulson in the room saying -- hey guys, let's design a really fancy red ferrari, a really high-yield aaa bond and let's sell it to the teachers' pension fund, because they're under water in their state so they'll buy anything with a yield. making that choice. and then screwing up the car where john paulson gets to pick which pieces of garbage to stick inside of it...