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Programs. just like at seaworld when the trainers file a lawsuit, a lot of money exchanges hands and they sign something and you never hear about it. >> richard -- sorry, you call seaworld representable. you say they brainwash the public. we asked seaworld for a response. we were told by their chief zoological officer, brad andrews, quote, rick o'barry's statements are baseless. what do you think people have been brainwashed into believing, in your view? >> they're thinking that dolphins actually belong in a concrete box doing stupid tricks and somehow this translates into education and resear...

A seaworld killer whale killed its trainer, and nobody is talking about that. that was in the canary islands, a 29-year-old trainer was killed, and you don't hear anybody talking about that. that just sort of fell through the slats. >> there also it seems like because so many people want to swim with dolphins and stuff, seaworld is sort of the biggest, probably best organized, most well-run organization out there. there's a lot of smaller ones that have smaller pools, don't have as much oversight. not just ones in, you know, in other countries but even in the united states. >> you can go to th...