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We need a flow chart to figure out who has done what to whom. you make a great point. given his age, health and the overall back story, mr. samson will probably be perceived and correctly so by the prosecutors who can determine everybody's fate in this tale is the week link. again, the facts are stubborn things. the tacts are going to determine what happens to whom and how. we are still in a very early stage before the rest of the facts determine what happens to these people in this great morality tale, rev. >> i'm going to hold it there. brian wice or as they call you in the control. room, br...

As kendall just said that the prosecutors are seemingly not willing to bite, at least as of yet on giving immunity, what would be your next step? >> i think the next step, al, is to let the investigative body in new jersey legislature or paul fishman in his investigation that he can fill in the blanks, the pieces of the puzzle. and it's interesting that you channeled watergate with what did the governor know and when did he know it. because i'm having this flashback 40 years ago to john dean ultimately being the first piece in the puzzle that brought down a president. if i'm david wildstein, i...

Him. >> $430,000 in one month, jordy. huh? >> they are business expenses. >> jordy, look what you've got here. $26,000 for one dinner. >> no, this can be explained. dad, we had clients, pfizer clients. champagne. >> tell them about the sides. >> sides? sides? $26,000 worth of sides. what are these sides, cure cancer. >> the sides didn't cure cancer. they are beer. that's why they were expensive. >> the sides cure cancer. >> that's why they were expenses. >> we talk about excesses of wall street. this capture that in the hill arty and depravity. >> it's basically a wonderful morality tale that ...

Anesthesize the moment. that was not what was real. this was about the power of movements to make change. that was the walk to freedom. >> michael, you've written a little bit about the way in which the violence has kind of been written out in part of this a anesthetizing. do you think that's part of the process? >> no, it's much easier that way. and you know, we are attracted to nelson mandela as a character because, you know, as i wrote in my column today, it is actually a simple morality tale. this is a tale of racial injustice and of a majority being lorded over by a brutal minority. so th...

And i am surprised in the green room, ann, you said they are not spending enough on the trip. >> i did say that and also that it's a shame they did not have this kind of fire power that night in benghazi. >> way to put it in a series place. >> it's true. >> context. >> $100 million could have done a lot. tucker, look, previous presidents have taken expensive trips to africa as well, should we cut back during the whole time of cutting back? >> we have a lot of vital national interests in the country. he is going to rob an island in south africa. >> he is going to rob an island? >> robin island ...