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They don't focus on the issue that we have frankly before us. we all support immigration reform. we support border enforcement. we recognize that we have to get control of the borders. we're not blind. we realize what's going on in mexico. but that was exploited particularly the murder of a rancher, exploited by proponents. >> there's a half million people in the state of arizona who are there illegally in this country illegally. you deny the connection between that and the immigration issue? >> not at all. look, one-third of arizona is hispanic. 30 million of us in this country. most of us ar...

Years, not just recently, indicated that those states and those cities with higher immigration have lower crime rates. let me repeat that for the senator. apparently he can't hear that fact. the fact of the matter is, the fact of the matter is, this bill is about intimidation and harassment. what is the public purpose of stopping someone and asking everyone in the car for their papers when they're on the way to the synagogue or on the way to church or on the way to mormon state. is there a public good served by that? >> what's the advantage in stopping a car -- let's take on the same conversat...