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Said this, was he joking? >> i listened to the tape just before coming on here to get the nuance. i laughed when he said it, he did not laugh. sole i guess it's a judgment call only president trump knows. when i first asked secretary tillerson, he paused and thought about his answer and gave a more vague answer. i asked him about the moron comment and he immediately went into it's fake news but maybe we have to take an iq test, then he paused and laughed and said i would win it. he doesn't laugh very much, but just because he didn't laugh doesn't mean it's not a joke. >> the amount of times he...

Moron comment. there is very little i should say when communicating with folks in the white house, very little pushback on the fact this actually occurred. so while the president is going after you, the people who work for him are quietly accepting, this is the narrative, because they know it happens to be true. >> so i guess, you know, this is coming at a time when some pretty serious things involving nuclear weapons are on the table. there's the concern about north korea. there's concerns about the iran deal. so help us put this in context of where we are, or should we look at this as, look,...

An anti-establishment insurgency, gotten into office, then kind of conformed somewhat to the norms of washington. they're seeing trump hasn't done that and i think it's alarming a lot of people. >> to the tillerson point about the stakes here, to give people context in case they hadn't seen this quote, "forbes" asked about the moron comment, i think it's fake news but if he did that i guess iq tests can tell you who is going to win. which the white house later said was a joke. he said he didn't undercut anyone. that's to me is the thing that it's easy to lose sight of the stakes here and the r...

The moron comment, i think it's fake news but if he did that i guess iq tests can tell you who is going to win. which the white house later said was a joke. he said he didn't undercut anyone. that's to me is the thing that it's easy to lose sight of the stakes here and the reason corker's speaking out is you heard what gabe sherman said. ultimately he's threatening north korea over twitter. he's about to decertify the iran deal. you've got two massively high-stakes nuclear issues on the table. the president is treating the way that he treated running against ted cruz in the primary. >> right. ...

Congress. >> 2018. >> why don't we just go ahead and have primaries against them? i think we will continue to see this moving forward. i don't think this is going to stop. >> not if steve bannon has anything to do with it. what about the lunch today, perfe perry, to be a fly on the wall with the president and secretary mattis. he said to congress it's a better idea for u.s. security to stay in this, and the president wants out and the secretary of state tillerson, after the moron comment. >> my understanding is trump already knew tillerson did not like him and called him names before and it ju...