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That he is referring to? and he said yes, that actually he is referring to something, it is some sort of showing of the cards of something. and truth be told we don't actually know. what's your evaluation of some of the concerns this raises? >> the caveat that i'm not in intelligence anymore and not in the room as they plan military operations i'm leaning more towards david and dana. i think this was really for effect. i would be very surprised if there was really any more specific behind it than that. saw an opportunity to get a good camera spray in front of those military leaders and look pr...

What your sources are saying about when tillerson could make an exit. >> brianna, it seems to be at least it's -- i cautious it seems to be and you know how unpredictable things are with this white house and this president, that things seem to have calmed down at least for now with secretary tillerson staying in his job and certainly that's what white house officials are telling some of our reporters. but other officials are saying that this relationship is beyond repair. and it's really just a trust issue. and they don't know if that trust between the president and secretary can really be bro...

Elise labott and kaitlan collins thank you both. let's bring in national security analyst john kirby retired rear admiral and pentagon and state spokesman. i would like to get your reaction that tillerson is widely seen as on his way out? >> yeah. very, very interesting. and if it's true boy, you can see that ball must have rolled really fast this week in light of the moron comments because before that, while it was widely known that tillerson had had some frustrations work with the white house it was largely over policy resourcing issues and they were working it out at a staff level and sort ...

During the meeting pence gave tillerson a pep talk but also had a message. the secretary needed to figure out how to move forward within trump's policy framework. the moron comments came following a july meeting about afghanistan policy at the pentagon. politico is on the board adding to that reporting tonight. ", the ornl report sent trump ninety-two a fury this morning. and white house official said and tillerson moved with corporate efficiency to tamp it down. the original report sent trump into tillerson in a rare public statement pledged loyalty but did not deny the comments. >> he's smar...

The president a moron. the reporting is based on over a dozen sources and details how it all played out, quote, the tensions came to a head around the time president donald trump delivered a politicized speech in late july to the boy scouts of america, an organization tillerson once led. tillerson, himself, by the way is an eagle scout. after tillerson's return to washington, pence arranged a meeting with him, during the meeting pence gave tillerson a pep talk but also had a message. the secretary needed to fg out how to move forward within trump's policy framework. the moron comments came fol...