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So is mueller. they work for him. and the question then is, will the public say, ah, it's nothing. we knew that he was bad from "access hollywood" and he was made president anyway. or does this just degrade and corrode, you know, even his most substantial support? >> that's what i'm wondering about here. and karine, let me take this question to you. let's take the cohen campaign finance piece of this. moveon.org, the foundation of moveon as an organization was 20 years ago when the president of the united states at that time, bill clinton, was accused of committing a felony. of lying under oat...

Move-on.org. i have to start with you. this is a rebuke of the president by, in lindsey graham's case, his closest ally in the united states senate, and bob corker who sort of tried to still toe an american line, not a trumpian line when it comes to foreign policy. >> yes, there's a rather dramatic credibility gap with what the president said about this evidence, what secretary mattis said about this evidence and secretary pompeo. at some point, you have to ask did you see the same intelligence? why did you characterize it the way you did? it wasn't that long ago you had the secretary -- the p...

Leap forward in her plans to become speaker of the house. what happened to all of that opposition? seemed to have melted away. she did get 32 votes against her but nothing to really put her speakership in jeopardy. >> that's right, paul. nancy pelosi has this quality about her that is almost like lynn don johnson. -- linden johnson. she is good at consolidating power. one lesson for the democrats, if you're going to try to dethrone nancy pelosi, you had better succesbettersucceed, here they . this was a mistake on democrats' part if they didn't have the ability to follow through. paul: jason, ...

Run for president and continue to run my business. here's my favorite part. very legal and very cool. here to take us through the day's developments and tell us what very legal means, joining us from buenos aires, l.a. times white house correspondent eli stokols, frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence is back, and at the table, heilemann is here of showtime's "the circus." >> oh, i'm here. >> and karine jean-pierre, senior adviser to moveon.org. take us through this collision of the president's now very public. there's been a lot of speculation up until today, u...

If trump claims he has set a record, he probably hasn't. if trump cites any number at all, the real number is usually smaller. i believe that journalists need to be just as tireless in combath the president's lying as the president is in telling the lies no matter how repetative or podantic it can make us seem. bret stevens is joining the panel and karine jean-pierre, senior adviser to moveon.org. you have sort of pointed some of the dots that connect donald trump's conduct in office to that of autocratic leaders. the lie seems like the biggie. >> yeah, we should be careful in our own speech t...