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Energy person. i think carson is a lower energy person than jeb. we need strong energy. >> reporter: carson has eclipsed or drawn even with trump in two polls of iowa caucus goers. trump sent attacks carson's way, carson attempted to avoid in engaging the billionaire. >> i refuse to get into the mud pit. hillary actually was right when she said republicans are there trying to destroy each other. i really think that was a huge mistake in the last cycle. i'm certainly not going to get into that. no matter what anybody says. >> reporter: carson has closed the gap in iowa, trump still maintains a ...

And to us that feels really good. we'll start with bush. nice guy, really is. i said low energy. carson is lower energy than bush. i don't get it. i saw him interviewed, he's lower energy than bush. >> i have a lot of cool things i could do rather than sit around and be miserable, listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. that is a joke. elect trump if you want that. >> i really refuse to get into the mud pit. you know, hillary actually was right when she said that republicans are there trying to destroy each other. i really think that was a huge mistake in t...

Or drawn even with trump in iowa caucus goers. trump sent attacks carson's way, carson avoided engaging the billionaire. >> i really refuse to really get into the mud pit. hillary actually was right when he said the republicans are there trying to destroy each other. i think that was a huge mistake in the last cycle. i certainly will not get into that no matter what anybody says. >> reporter: carson has closed the gap in iowa, trump still maintaining a healthy lead nationally and in the states of new hampshire and south carolina. john and christine. >> ryan, thanks. new developments on the dem...

What's your take on this report, rich? >> getting any major political party to coordinate in any direction is impossible. so i don't believe it. even if they wanted to do it, they won't be able to pull it off. that doesn't even make any sense to me. but i think what we're beginning to see is for trump to look for new enemies now that he's falling behind carson in new hampshire -- in iowa. and as we get closer to new hampshire over the next couple weeks, and people begin to take this more seriously, dana, i wonder if we're going to see a shift in those polls as well as the novelty act begins to...

Donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. we informed ben, but he was sleeping. [ laughter ] how do you respond to mr. trump? >> everybody has their own personality and if he'd like to do that, that's fine. that's not who i am. and i don't get into the mud pit and i'm not going to be talking about people. i will tell you in terms of energy, i'm not sure that there's anybody else running who's spend 18 or 20 hours intently operating on somebody. >> do you think that people mistake your soft-spokenness with lack of energy. >> i think so. i have plenty of energy. but, you know, i...