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To people who have estates worth more than $5.5 million. to wealthiest one-tenth of 1% of americans to those people at the same time they're taking away benefits from working class people who actually are getting benefits for example college tuition tax credits or people who are getting benefits for teachers who are paying for school supplies, and the average person who makes more than -- who makes less than $30,000 a year is going to see their taxes rise in 2021. those who make less in $75,000 a year will see their taxes rise in 2027, that's not american. that's taking from the poor and givin...

And that is -- mueller knows that so jared kushner needs to fess up. it's a very bad day for jared kushner. >> the communication we learned about this week between donald trump jr. and wikileaks, i mean, this is a sticking point here. could this amount to perjury for kushner? >> well, i think, you know, in and of itself it's going to be -- it can be a challenge because he's going to say i didn't remember that, i forgot that e-mail, et cetera, and i think what juliette was saying is, you know, the question is how much -- how many lies were there? what evidence does, for example, mueller have th...

Those forward and, you know, i'm hopeful that people can work it out and that everybody even democrats will end up wanting to vote for it. >> keith, not one democrat in the house voted for the plan. do you really think any democratic senators there vote for it? >> i think it's unlikely. this bill, the proposal that's in the house and the one they're talking about in the senate is contradictory to democratic principles. it's contradictory to what the american people want. . idea they're taking federal tax resources, they're giving money to people who have private jets, to people who have estate...

That e-mail, et cetera, and i think what juliette was saying is, you know, the question is how much -- how many lies were there? what evidence does, for example, mueller have that he had this in his mind earlier. so let me give you an example. let's say that there's a lot of e-mail traffic about these direct messages. let's say he was on 100 e-mails about it, or there was recent e-mails discussing how much of a problem this could be if there was an investigation. then i could see there being a charge. if this was a one off e-mail that happened back during the campaign and nothing else came of ...

Russian connection informs all of, this you have to ask yourself, what additional information does mueller have, what additional people involved that we haven't heard about yet. >> shepard: he's sending signals for one thing with papadopoulos. papadopoulos appears to be a cooperating witness, appears to be proactively cooperating which is sometimes code for has worn a wire. we know when he was indicted. we know when the charges came. that was a month ago. we don't know when he began cooperating and who he spoke with. >> each of these charges against manafort have serious consequences if he's f...