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A grand jury. it wasn't a thunderous event. it was just a thing. just one guy, a spokesman for paul manafort. but with your reporting in mind, tell us about him and tell us what this may say about mr. mueller's operation to date? >> well, i think the mueller operation is trying to move pretty quickly on this. they're bringing people before the grand jury at a pretty advanced stage of their investigations. he's been hiring prosecutors and so forth. and to already be beginning to take testimony is a pretty important step. now, this fella is not going to be central to any case involving the presi...

Their job and ask exactly what is going on? you're supposed to have an independent council if there's a crime what is the crime? nobody has shown us any crimes yet. now mueller who can't find a crime is trying to invent new zones of looking at more and more things what are the limits here? does he get to go on a hunting expedition until he gets somebody to indict? this is a totally irresponsible way for the justice department to be operating. i think frankly the president ought to be pressuring the house and senate judiciary committees at this stage. i don't think the case has been made for fi...

Simply following the money with regard to the work that paul manafort was doing with a pro-russian regime in ukraine at the time. paul manafort's trial is still scheduled for july. >> despite his decision not to throw out the case, he is being critical of the manafort -- being critical of the mueller operation. >> reporter: he is. the says it does appear he says that he doesn't really like the structure of a special counsel. he suggested a better way would be to have a commission. here is one part of the ruling in which he says, quote, if a special counsel discovers no criminal activity, then ...

Charges. now, that lawyer abby lowell and who i have spoken to insists something to see here and yet again i would disagree slightly with tim's analysis. i have spent months covering this case. where people are in the white house on the same note and we're cooperating. >> yeah. >> a lot of republicans, outside of what you might call the extra fever fringe, a lot of republicans were holding their fire. now you've got everyone from ken starr to breitbart to members of congress taking on the fbi. >> the shift is now to smear the fbi and the mueller operation. and i do think that if you're seeing ...