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Between a couple of fbi officials. so although that has provided kind of rocket fuel for this idea that mueller and his team were tainted, some sort of edict seems to have gone out around the time of thanksgiving where the conservative outlets and members of congress kind of fired up the jets to go after mueller. and the big question, brian, is what exactly is the goal here? is it to lay the ground work for president trump to potentially fire mueller, or is this an attempt to create almost to taint the jury pool? to create a political climate in which mueller's report, if he writes one as you ...

Not a legal process but a political one. so the question is are they trying to pave the way for the president to knock mueller out or is this the beginning of halong political fight that might be playing out in congress in the form of potential impeachment proceedings an argument about whether to proceed with impeachment proceedings. >> jill, i'm guessing based on all available evidence that the instructions from mueller to his team is keep your heads down and let's keep working. but the question to is can this cause real damage to an investigation like this? >> first of all, let me say that i...

To, at least in trump's mind, get a more friendly attorney general in that job who would make it -- who would pave the way toward mueller's firing. i think that somewhere in the trump mind, complicated haunted house that it is, that there's some part of that, what he is thinking about, this is not just indiscriminate flailing. he's tried to pick the lock on how to get sessions out and how to get mueller out. >> let me get you quickly in on this jared kushner question. there's -- i don't even know, open secret is probably a bad way to describe it. but an aggressive effort to malign kushner and ...

Here's a guy that hacked into the dod and nasa when he was 16, he is now 45. at some point we got to say shame on you, now shame on america for not building the cybersecurity that they should have. there's a lot of angry people which i understand. they also have a responsibility. 11 years, wikileaks has never gotten it wrong. julian is saying he's got the proof it wasn't russia. he would be the one guy in the whole world. here's the question, he now has a message for the president, would he tell you about that? >> he said he hasn't some nonpublic information that julia mesons gave him, he also...

American public. he's not used to walking on eggshells. he's still making a transition into a politician. this is a guy that went from private citizen to president. he didn't go through. >> wait a second, when you have nazis coming to town, it's like when you have david duke. you don't have a lot of thought about that. the nazis are coming, will there be some good nazis and not so bad nazis and david duke, maybe there's a good side to david duke, maybe he likes puppies. you don't equivocate about it. >> sean: can i interject one thing, he said it all throat of the campaign. i've got tape of th...