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Military intelligence organization where she specializes in legal work and obviously as a cutout. so that being said, i just think it's fascinating that she would come on television and leak just a little bit of information, enough to make everyone on the mueller side pretty excited, but it's going to make the white house a little worried, i believe. >> clint, i want to read you laurence tribe from harvard law sool, smarter than the average bear, donald trump was in the building when now confessed russian spy veselnitskaya met with donald junior to trade anti-hillary dirt for trump's promise t...

Here's a few of the things i can control, and don't forget i'm involved in your process. >> that's an excellent example. i actually used it as putin's own personal guardrail, sort of a way to hedge trump in. you have a person here who's on the verge of leaking information. i thought the most extraordinary part of richard engel's interview, which i think is just brilliant journalism -- he always does well -- is when he got her to admit that she worked for a special military unit that was associated with the fsb. and we all know what is. that is the gru, russian military intelligence. and so tec...

Recordings of him as well. >> scott, what is your take on this new york times reporting that trump's con iffidants view cohen and the probe as a bigger threat to him than perhaps the mueller probe? >> well, i understand it. it's more opaque. we don't know exactly what is on the recordings. we don't know exact lay what was taken out of his office. we don't know how far back it goes. we know he's been under investigation for a number of months. there's a black hole of investigation. on the mueller side, you know who has been in to see the special counsel. you sort of know what buckets they're lo...

Special counsel and, you know, echoing a lot of the things that the president has said. that this is a witch-hunt and this has gotten, you know, just the expensiveness of the probe on the mueller side. what's interesting here is the question of what this prompts the president to do. but if you look at sessions' actions, i agree with you. with the "time" magazine, with the dinner he's had with rosenstein recently, kind of daring the president -- >> sending a message with that dinner in a prominent restaurant in a place where a picture could be taken. >> in some ways, he's trying -- he could be ...

The seychelles and appears to have omitted crucial details of the nature of that meeting where robert mueller appears to have access to which kind of crystallizes the gap between what's happening on the mueller side and what's happening in the intelligence committee. >> right, chris. he said he went to the seychelles and could have ran into someone who could set up this person who we now believe could have been a setup to be a back channel between the trump administration and the russian government through an emirati conduit. that now seems to be coming to a head in the mueller investigation. ...