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Actually are in human testing, we've completed a study of over 500 people with this booster and we will have those data soon, but i think more importantly this is a booster vaccine that is really very similar to spike vax that we've used in hundreds of millions of people around the world, it just has the messenger rna added to it the ba.4, 5, so it's very similar. i think we can safely and effectively protect people with this booster and we should all feel confident. >> let's talk about when people should be getting this booster. a lot of people were fully vaccinated and boosted last fall, som...

That work in the program. is that if you give monkeypox viruses of enough opportunities to mutate, and replicate, and change, we are worried. even though there's a small chance that that might happen. so that's one of the biggest issues. >> the smallpox vaccine, because people of a certain age got that as a kid, does that offer some protections though? >> it does, and again smallpox it offers almost lifelong protection. for monkeypox, probably about 85% protection. but we have a better vaccine than the drive backs that we originally used for smallpox. but it's very limited quantities. and it t...

Urgency to do that. >> one of our viewers on twitter asked a really good question. this viewer asked -- i'd like to know the likelihood of monkeypox variants and could it mutate into a more deadly variant? >> i don't think anyone knows the answer to that. but what we've learned very well over the last 2.5 years of the coronavirus pandemic is the longer a virus remains in a community, the longer and the more people are infected, the more opportunities there is for the virus to mutate. but we have a very effective vaccine that's effective against smallpox, a disease that has been eradicated, as ...

Response we're always going to be lagging, chasinging and hoping our immunity would outpace these variants? >> it doesn't have to be that way, laura, and the reason we say that, that is true. when you have a lot of dynamics of a virus replication in the community, you give a virus more of an opportunity to mutate. more likely, you'll get a new variant. by diminishing the circulation of virus in the community by vaccinations and boosting and masking where appropriate, and testing so that you can keep people separated who are infected, you cut down on that likelihood that you're going to get new...

Know has those facts. so, it's one of those things that is out there. it's perhaps significant. maybe the fbi has more facts. and so, i would encourage people really to look at what we do know, rather than focusing in on the few details coming up right now, that we don't know the specifics of. >> the donut versus the hall as you said. donald ayer, thank you so much for being with us. coming up, as steve bannon prepares to go to trial next week, new leaked audio from the former trump advisor shows he knew exactly what the former president would do, if you lost reelection. that incredible mutate...