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The campaign. but that certainly wasn't the tune that he whistled when he went into the convention and paul manafort was his shepherd there, his spokesman, and very much at the helm of his presidential campaign. >> yeah, and you say the paul manafort trial. this is obviously the first of two paul manafort trials. we're going to get a little bit different flavor of everything paul manafort did in each of the trials. it's a story that's not going to go away. when you get to the president's legal problems, you're talking a minute ago about how everything is getting worse for him. we talked a lot ...

Two paul manafort trials. we're going to get a little bit different flavor of everything paul manafort did in each of the trials. it's a story that's not going to go away. when you get to the president's legal problems, you're talking a minute ago about how everything is getting worse for him. we talked a lot about his legal problems. i think the bigger problem or i shouldn't say bigger problem. the narrative problem that he has right now is when you take all these new revelations of what happened in 2016, all of the close ties, the fact that he might have known about this meeting with the rus...

"the washington post" will pick out five or ten tweets and say where are the facts to back up all these statements? will we see a situation where he won't have to? that's at least what he's saying in his answer to bill o'reilly that he doesn't need the facts. >> donald trump is trying to did he -- delegitimize the truth. i think this is an incredible worry, not just for democrats and everyone who's concerned about the integrity of the american republic. this is a pretty perilous time when you're looking at what he's trying to so he in terms of chaos within our american democracy. i think you l...

Julie's point. the losers outin that the winners. but even if we have a dispute over that the way that the law was marketed was that there were going to be no losers. this was going to be a panacea for everyone. and when you make a big promises that didn't come true, it's not just a narrative problem, it's a substantive problem democrats have moving in to the fall. so i think it was interesting one of the questions asked yesterday, i think the obamacare questions were pretty bad, but the questions that were asked were all about fluff and not substance, process and polling. and someone said do ...

Important, the pac felt we needed to win both of these states to change the narrative. romney called it an early night, he skipped an election night speech and instead weighed in by press release saying, quote, we'll be increasing our delegate count in a very substantial way after tonight and we are even closer to the nomination, those are all facts. the last time we saw romney was at 6:30 eastern last night. he'd moved on to missouri which is holding caucuses on saturday. >> we've got work to do. i need you guys to caucus, all right? you got saturday, you're going to come together for a caucu...