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Program, one of them who is in hong kong right now, who seems to have gotten, you know -- who seems to have leaked information he had. why couldn't that happen with a variety of other people in the organization? >> joe, you're not as worried about this program as mary. put this in context of all the other scandals about government expansion that we've been talking about and writing about for many months. the irs, you've written about obama care extensively. where do you put this data mining threat, if you want to put it in those terms, compared to these other government powers? >> i would draw...