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Through congress right now is the one where we give tax credits for hiring veterans. if you're a business looking at somebody to hire coming back and as i say don't do it as a favor, don't do it because you feel guilty, don't give a handout. these guys are trained in ways that the rest of us are not in terms of leadership -- >> discipline. >> they're organized. and if you put them inside your company, it's only a good thing, don't you think, andrew? >> you are 100% -- 100% right, but again, it goes back to demand, goes back to how people actually feel out there, and we have to somehow do somet...

Things like that, consumer confidence, those numbers are not great right now. what are the trends you guys look at on "squawk box" and cnbc. >> we look at the confidence numbers, and those don't reflect positively. oddly enough and it comes back -- i'll say it over and over again. the ceos you talk to over and over again, their companies are not falling off a cliff the way you'd expect them to. the question becomes, what are they doing with the earnings? and unfrortunately, they're not investing in new plants and equipment, what they're doing is hoarding the cash or buying back their stock or ...