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Hall, who is a republican, who was approved by tom price to be the head of the congressional budget office. and we have a report coming out tonight indicating that inside the trump administration, which would presumably be office of management and budget, their own calculations indicated that even more people would lose health insurance than the cbo estimate so far. so this is -- these estimates are still a developing story. thank you very much for joining us tonight. david frum, we're going to talk to you in another segment. coming up, donald trump remains cowering in silence whenever a rep...

This is why i think people need to see the forest through the trees. we are defederalizing an entitlement, bloc granting it back to the states, and capping its growth rate. that's never been done before. >> correct. that is cutting benefits to poor people through medicaid more dramatically than those benefits have ever been cut before. the congressional budget office issued its official estimate today for the republican health care bill. it projects that 24 million people will lose their health insurance, which brings us to the biggest lie donald trump has ever told about health care. >> every...

Appointed in 2015 by house republicans at which time the health and human services secretary, tom price, was the chairman of the house budget committee, so let's not forget that. and at that time donald trump, who wasn't our president then, was tweeting out lots of negative cbo statistics about obamacare at the time. so it's kind of hard to have it both ways. i think the really interesting political question now for the president is, remember, he campaigned on, we're going to make this coverage better, it's going to be cheaper, you're not going to lose your coverage, you're going to be able to...

Act. at the same time the federal government would save a lot of money on health insurance subsidies which this legislation would use partly to roll back the tax increases in the affordable care act, give more money back to higher-income people, and partly reduce federal borrowing. >> part of the way they save money is people who are subsidized up to ounts of $12,000, $13,000would only get a subsidy, if they got a subsidy at all, of $4,000 or less? >> right. so the subsidies, people can get through these insurance marketplaces would fall by about half by the end of a ten-year window the cbo do...

>> andy, let's get your reaction to the medicaid piece of what you're hearing in this proposal. >> i think the simplest way to look at this proposal, the cbo verified this, we're cutting medicaid by about 25%. and to remind everybody what medicaid does, medicaid is a program that takes care of kids, low-income people, seniors in long-term care, and people with disabilities. that's it. when you cut 25% from that, you really leave governors in states with very, very stark choices over which of those sets of people aren't going to get benefits? because states as we know have to balance their budg...