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I wish i could be more nice about it. >> so let me give the best-case scenario here. this is all tactical. basically, you're showing up day one, look we're not going along to get along. you're sending this message. you're going to have to deal with us, you're going to have to listen to us. a negotiating standpoint standpoint, that's going to vote a bit. >> a speaker is not going to have any effect about what goes on. but it does say that they don't give a damn what happened es to the country. if they don't do that they have no shot in 2016, no matter who they nominate. so these 25 people basic...

Basically, you're showing up, day one, look, we're not going along to get along. you're sending this message. you're going to have to deal with us, you're going to have to listen to us. maybe from a negotiating standpoint, that's going to vote a bit. >> a speaker is not going to have any effect about what goes on. but it does say that they don't give a damn what happens to the country. if they don't do that, they have no shot in 2016, no matter who they nominate. so these 25 people, basically, are saying we don't care about the republican party. all we care about is the right wing agenda that ...

Still raise money, obviously, as we were just saying. but at the same time, you've got to believe that he understands deep down, those rates are going up one way or another. if they can't come to an agreement, all the rates will go up. i still think that's what boehner would prefer. >> when we had the lame duck bush tax cut extension, which frustrated a lot of people, myself included, a lot of people on this network, okay? afterwards, if you would talk to someone from the white house, they would say, no, no, no. we've got this. we've got it all set up now, because it's going to all expire at t...