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We have a lot to do gwbetween n and september. i don't anticipate a shut down. if the democrats aren't going to behave any better than they have the last couple days it may be inevitable. >> how does the president define a good shut down? >> i don't know. we haven't had one. it's not a goal, okay, and it's not a negotiating tool. >> the president advocated a -- >> to the extent the president advocated for one today, if you want to imagine what a shut down was, it it would be one that fixes this town. >> that's line and today from the white house, washington might need a shut down and it's all ...

This point forward. >> well, if you ask him and certainly his team, they think things are heading in the right direction. they feel they're on track with regard to their accomplishments. look, with regards to some of the flip flops or course corrections on some of these issues, they're clearly learning that governing is much more difficult than campaigning. i think some of this is a good thing with regard to campaigning saying that china is a currency manipulator. now he's using that as a negotiating tool to encourage china to pressure north korea to back off its weapons program. some of this ...

We want to weigh in on that before we go to a break? >> when you're a ceo or a businessman, one thing you need to do if you are going to negotiate is have a negotiating position. one part of that is sending messages. we send a message to canada today. we are canada's largest customer. canada does not want to mess with us and i don't want to mess with president trump. we sent a message today that if you mess with us, we're going to retaliate. status of your message, it wasn't crushing, but was summoned to let people know that you can't mess with the united states. same thing on china. china was...

Beefing up of the border security patrol. the president's calling for 15,000 new agents overall according to dhs firing just 500 costs $100 million. how likely is that going to get through congress? >> i think it will be tough. something that democrats will try to stop, but could be negotiating tool in terms of they might be able to get trump and republicans to give them something else, maybe obamacare and other things. >> aaron the number of border crossers has gone down since inauguration. significant to you? >> not really in sofaras it was on the campaign trail as donald trump was talking a...

Suggests in the two interviews with o'reilly and us that he does not. >> the options are fewer. here are the explanations. by the way, check out "the wall street journal" editorial board if you want to learn about poisoning political opponent, if you're in russia. but the options are fewer. i mean, there's some sort of business ties. that's where you would equivocate if you don't want to get caught, i guess, in some bad web. or as you pointed out, joe, he agrees with this or, thirdly, he doesn't understand, which are all bad options. >> there is literally -- >> all bad option and no good optio...