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Team arguably in the world cup. they are like the darth vader of world football. we are definitely luke skywalker in this equation. man for man, the germans on paper win. you don't win the game -- >> but, roger, if germany and american both go through shouldn't we sit at halfway at midfield and say what is up with you? >> you come from a world of diplomacy, joe. you understand how the back room deals work better than i do. fingers crosseded. >> okay. roger bennett, thank you. bobby ghosh, thank you as well. >> thank you. >> we are watching the reed report at 2:00 p.m. coming up today on msnbc....

Borrowing in the next ten years. >> you're saying that's a net drain on the u.s. economy, that nearly trillion dollars, that is what you're saying? >> no, i said it was billions of dollars in additional costs and deficits because of obama care. the a massive increase in taxes. i understand what the president did on that. but it's a massive increase in spending and there's not enough money -- it cost us, you know, millions of americans are losing health insurance premiums, health insurance to employers. it's going to blow a hole in our deficit. we have to discuss obama care. the president doesn...

Registration fee and have to be gainfully employed. you won't qualify for federal benefits and then after all of that you don't get to apply for anything until the enforcement mechanisms are in place. i would argue it would be cheaper, faster and easier to go back home and wait ten years than it will be to go through the process is i outlined. that is why it the not amnesty. we don't award anything. you have to qualify and apply for it. that is the key distinction. if someone being in the country ellylely is cheaper quicker and easier than doing it the right way i wouldn't support that. that i...

Registration fee and have to be gainfully employed. you won't qualify for federal benefits and then after all of that you don't get to apply for anything until the enforcement mechanisms are in place. i would argue it would be cheaper, faster and easier to go back home and wait ten years than it will be to go through the process is i outlined. that is why it the not amnesty. we don't award anything. you have to qualify and apply for it. that is the key distinction. if someone being in the country ellylely is cheaper quicker and easier than doing it the right way i wouldn't support that. that i...

Registration fee and have to be gainfully employed. you won't qualify for federal benefits and then after all of that you don't get to apply for anything until the enforcement mechanisms are in place. i would argue it would be cheaper, faster and easier to go back home and wait ten years than it will be to go through the process is i outlined. that is why it the not amnesty. we don't award anything. you have to qualify and apply for it. that is the key distinction. if someone being in the country ellylely is cheaper quicker and easier than doing it the right way i wouldn't support that. that i...