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And it's not knowable in a formal sense. but let's think about it this way. when veterans come back from iraq, they feel like no one can understands what they've been through other than men like themselves and women like them who have been in these combat situations. there may be something very similar with these women where they need each other and the connection with each other to feel understood. how can any of us understand what it is like to be in it that horrible situation? the reality is, we really can't, but we can empathize and they have to learn to accept that empat empathy. what we ...

Relevant to the issue of cruelty. and of course the prosecution alleges it happened after. she stabbed and cut which is vicious within itself but then thereafter for good measure she shot and killed as if to say take that. and i think anyone would say that that is unusually cruel. >> joey, thanks very much. joey jackson, our legal analyst for our sister network hln always giving us some good insight. appreciate it very much. i want to go to texas right now, austin, texas. there you see the president of the united states. he's walking down the stairs. he's going to be received, we believe, by...

Joey jackson is a criminal defense attorney, a legal analyst for our sister network hln, he's joining us from the cnn headquarters in atlanta. a lot of questions, joey, but first of all, is she likely to get what she wants, death? >> i think she very well could, wolf. that's predicated upon the brutality of this crime and not only the brutality of this crime but also the days she spent testifying or test-a-alying as the jury would say because they rejected her theories about the victim, travis is a sexual deviant, travis tortured me and beat me. i think that was resoundingly rejected and it do...

Morning and they're trying to get into the courtroom. if you look over here, there is a group of people wedged in the corner behind the police lines. these are folks that want to be inside the courtroom once this verdict is read in just about an hour and a half. the sheriff deputy is outside the courthouse there too. it is hard to explain. every now and then one of these cases comes up that really captures people's imagination. and hooks them. and this is one of those cases. we have seen the ratings on our sister network hln have been through the roof for last few months. people are absolutely...

>> no. if it's manslaughter or second-delaware agree at some point in her life she will be parolable. we are talking about a woman who stabbed 29 times, slit a throat from ear to ear, almost decapitating the man, and shot him in the head. frightening, isn't it? >> sleep now if you can. if that happens you will be on tv 24 hours a day. >> back on our sister network hln. great to see you, don. >> you as well. we are an hour away from the start of the kentucky derby. coming up, meet the man who hopes to become the first african-american jockey to win the race in over a century. from home repair t...