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He's also the guy responsible for the unsigned, undated retroactive ethics waivers, as though that's a thing. so this is not something i think anybody would want on their resume, they were in the white house in the ethics office in the trump administration. >> norm, you say you're amazed that he lasted as long as he did because none could thrive in this white house. why do you say that? >> well, because he has a nightmare client, possibly the worst in ethics, president trump. look at the damage that the president has done to the reputations and the careers and freedom of the people around him ...

Though that's a thing. so this is not something i think anybody would want on their resume, they were in the white house in the ethics office in the trump administration. >> norm, you say you're amazed that he lasted as long as he did because none could thrive in this white house. why do you say that? >> well, because he has a nightmare client, possibly the worst in ethics, president trump. look at the damage that the president has done to the reputations and the careers and freedom of the people around him starting with the criminal investigatio investigations. almost 190 charges and the advi...

Bringing in a couple new faces as others leave. let's bring in chris wicker from the fbi. a lot going on. one of those things is the continued conversation about whether or not this president will decide to or be asked to sit down directly with robert mueller. should he? >> he's been all over the place on that issue. at first he thinks the special counsel doesn't need to exist, won't talk to him ever. now he wants to talk to him. if i were his attorney -- he's a nightmare client. if it's were his attorney, i wouldn't let him near the special counsel. i don't think the special counsel has to ta...

As a defense lawyer, he is your nightmare client, because he is saying all the wrong things. he is contradicting every defense that he had. all of his tweets are terrible. his attack on mueller saying these are bad people. these are not helpful to the defense at all. >> that was a former watergate assistant prosecutor weighing in on just how tough it might be to represent this president in this investigation. we have two very capable lawyers with us here tonight in the studio to weigh in. richard painter, who was the chief ethics lawyer for the bush 43 white house. and mika owe yang is back wi...

>> that was a former watergate assistant prosecutor weighing in on just how tough it might be to represent this president in this investigation. we have two very capable lawyers with us here tonight in the studio to weigh in. richard painter, who was the chief ethics lawyer for the bush 43 white house. and mika owe yang is back with us as well an attorney and former staffer on the house intel and house armed services committee. counsellors, welcome to you. richard, to jill's point, is this the nightmare client? and in light the vp lawyering up, is this going to end up costing so many people so...