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There's the law, pretty clear. the application is always going to bring some debate in conversation. we christians, we catholics have the sermon on the mount. the application, that's where the rubber hits the road. that's where there will always be conversation and a little bit of disagreement. >> what is his effect on american politics, for instance, on some of these issues, be it abortion or gay marriage? what is the impact? >> on politicians or on catholics? >> well, on the public debates, on the political debates in this country around these issues. >> i will tell you this. i would say for...

Debates, this is where there is tension. >> sure. >> what is the natural evolution of a change in tone, a change in the packaging of this pope to actual change in church policy on some of these matters? >> yeah, i don't know if that's too new, though. i would say since the time of jesus christ, there has always been tension, difficulty, conflict in the application of the teaching. i mean, i look at my jewish neighbors. they have the torah. there's the law, pretty clear. the application is always going to bring some debate in conversation. we christians, we catholics have the sermon on the moun...

Manuel has dissipated but is expected to bring heavy rains to texas and we'll have more on the forecast in a few minutes. blunt comments from pope francis are sending shock waves around the world. in an interview he said "we cannot insist onlien issues relate related to it abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. we have to find a new balance otherwise even the moral ed fas of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards. this follows an impromptu press conference where during a flight he said who am i to judge when asked about a gay priest. pope francis said when g...

>> that's funny. this is what we have to do. you see by inches how people have made the religious notion that conception is the beginning of personhood, which challenges both contraception and a woman's right of choice of it abortion. in virginia, where i am from, they want to implant things in women who dared to have abortion. they have tried to limit where they can get medical treatment for abortions. we have a big push in this country by leadership against women having the right to exercise the right to be let alone and have an abortion. so there has been an attack on women. it does call fo...

Them? >> that's funny. this is what we have to do. you see by inches how people have made the religious notion that conception is the beginning of personhood, which challenges both contraception and a woman's right of choice of it abortion. in virginia, where i am from, they want to implant things in women who dared to have abortion. they have tried to limit where they can get medical treatment for abortions. we have a big push in this country by leadership against women having the right to exercise the right to be let alone and have an abortion. so there has been an attack on women. it does c...