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Is going through right now. what it must be like to put this information a out there and all of a sudden have everyone talking about it. >> well, i think edward snowden was just quoted as saying his worst fear is that people do not take account of this enormous gravity of his disclosures, which he actually said this threat, this poses an extential threat to democracy. so now he's more concerned that the united states takes action, that congress takes action that really we have a serious investigation of these billions of total information awareness storage of calls and internet e-mails that ta...

>> well, her cousin saying, look, i remember this as a child i used to baby sit. people are devastated by what happened, but isn't it sad, fred? and then you sit there and think at the end of the day, did a girl really have to die for people to come out and do something about this? it was funny, the school board officials were there with the families themselves saying, look, we have to stand up. we have to be accountable. we're going to take another look at what we did. and in many cases people are looking at the whole situation because there are similar situations across the united states, ac...

Point that they're going to move? they create an incentive to leave the states they love. why would they do that? >> well, wait a second, wait a second, the people of the state of california have voted to approve this tax rate. i mean, i remember when you said that the people of california had a ban on gay marriage, and so this is the will of the people. so it's a democracy. >> sean: let's use new york as an example. new york is very similar to california no one voted on that except for representative of-- and i guess what i'm asking here, the president says he wants millionaires to pay more a...

Point that they're going to move? they create an incentive to leave the states they love. why would they do that? >> well, wait a second, wait a second, the people of the state of california have voted to approve this tax rate. i mean, i remember when you said that the people of california had a ban on gay marriage, and so this is the will of the people. so it's a democracy. >> sean: let's use new york as an example. new york is very similar to california no one voted on that except for representative of-- and i guess what i'm asking here, the president says he wants millionaires to pay more a...

And this happens in 10 years. and we pick up the mess now and five years from now we strike nice agreement pensions and with the unions and we have the same problem again. how do we avoid that. >> maybe we do fire them. >> to victoria's point. in san bernardino they faked the number for 16 years and i see rick wacking his finger there. it sad for taxpayers. and now they have a look out and bond rates go up for them. >> problem with bankruptcy it makes it difficult for them to save money. what scott walker did in wisconsin. he said look. we can't give free health care and pensions forever. he w...