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Resisting creating a no fly zone because that would be an escalation against russia. can ukraine survive without this no fly zone? >> i think the most important issue is our ability to provide military aid to the ukrainians, and if we can continue to provide military aid to the ukrainians and find ways to do that, then i think -- i don't think it's necessary to consider a no fly zone. but if it comes down to a point where it is much more difficult to provide that aid, then i think we ought to at least keep that idea on the table in order to make sure that under any circumstances, ukraine gets ...

>> the other news that we were talking about is sumy. there have been airstrikes up here near the city of sumy. now there is this humanitarian corridor that they've tried to open up south, baltova right there. from a military standpoint, what are the conversations around this? >> well, for a military organization that follows the geneva convention, that's a no fly no go zone. you don't go anywhere near it. you don't shoot anywhere near it. in my view the russians are using that as a way to bring their spies in. let the refugees go out, let them bring their logistics in. human shields. >> you'r...

Country. everybody is touched to the core with heartbreak of what putin is doing. i think we have to be careful. i heard a number of commentators say this is just the way that russia operates. this is their kind of war. when we normalize it saying this is how they do it, it becomes more acceptable, i guess, on the international stage. this is not the way you do it in the 21st century. so the rest of the world has to stand up and do what we can. you know, i'm angry most of the time but this is a cool medium and anger is said to blow out the lamp of the mind and i have to try to maintain and hop...

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At the same time, again, right now, jeffrey, you have a slavic nation fighting a slavic nation. you have putin being an aggressor against the ukrainians. at some point, i mean, all putin wants is to make this a russia versus nato, a russia versus united states war. these proposals are dangerous. i'm going to say, i want to say it again, people getting on american cable shows and broadcast shows talking about this -- asking, why are we being weak? why aren't we putting a no fly zone in? the recklessness in those questions, it's dumbfounding. i can't believe presidents of networks don't yank the...