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Captured the attention and admiration of noncatholics in a way that both of these popes who were canonized today also did. >> all right. carl bernstein, always good to see you. >> nice to be here. the nba is in the middle of the playoffs and the only thing anyone can talk about, can feel consumed about these days is the allegations of racist comments from a long-time team owner. we have reaction from legend nba, legend kareem abdul jabbar. it's a cnn exclusive right after this.

President obama has been. i'm sure president obama kind of envies the success of this pope in the way he has been accoladed by catholics and non-catholics alike in bridging the culture wars. >> 1.2 billion catholics worldwide. they agree on helping poor people on the problems of income, inequality and those areas, but when it am cans to same-sex marriage, birth control and abortion, they clearly disagree. how do they finesse that in a one-hour meeting? >> i don't think it's about finesse. the most important key to understanding this pope is the remarkable interview he did early in his papacy w...

Finally tonight, last week started lent when most catholics choose to give something up. what some famous catholics and non-catholics might be willing to forego. >> we he had academy award winner matthew mcconaughey. that man just won an oscar. let's see what he is giving up this year. the third all right. something we know he values so best of luck. now we have president barack obama. let's see what he is giving up. i'm just giving up. after all the scandals and botched rollout of ukrainian thing, i'm just giving up. >> that's not good. >> we also have one from vladimir putin. let's see what ...

Obama's isolating putin will see tremendous solidarity of the allies but germany is not fully on board. it undercuts the strategy. >> germany's not fully on board. and i think american corporations are not fully on board. i'm not sure that isolation strategy can work. taking it back to syria when i was watching dr. nancy's report, think we're relying on russia to be our partner in peace talks on syria? russia is now rearming assad and not a partner for us on foreign policy. >> i was thinking a lot about cardinal dolan. i tweeted he points to the shrewd strategy of the pope, says by asking poin...

That's not how we understand god's design. pope francis is saying we've got to the restore the luster, the appeal, the intrigue, the mystery, the romance, the vin have itation to the church and he's doing it on steroids. that's his major agenda i think. >> your eminence, i always enjoy talking to you. >> happy st. patrick's day. >> thank you. >> all right. and you can see more of my interview with cardinal dolan including how the pope plans to strengthen the faith of catholics and noncatholics alike on our website at "meet the press" @nbc.com. >> coming up, paul palin, christie, santorum, wi...