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National plan where you set a requirement that all states must, must accept any government-issued state i.d.? so if it's a college. let's say from texas tech then people in texas have to accept that. >> i don't support voter i.d. as a requirement of voting as a matter of principle. but if you're going to create a better national system of voting with mandatory early voting with a limitation on early poll closings, with a whole range of things to improve democracy, we can have a discussion. but i don't support the fundamental principle of saying all of a sudden now we need to have voter i.d. la...

Remember, we've had in this democracy throughout the years of voting prior to -- prior to 18 months ago, only two states that have had these kind of voter i.d. requirements. all of a sudden now, an explosion of 34 states that have embarked on some journey to make it more difficult for people to vote. >> so -- >> why all of a sudden -- >> well, i think it's about time. this is something like -- i remember, again, it's always very instructive when you get into politics and you haven't been into politics. and you start looking and you start figuring out who can vote and how they vote and the i.d....

Like the secretary of state in indiana. it's usually not voters. it's elections officials. the voter i.d. is not going to eliminate integrity problems by elections officials. and so it is a solution in search of a problem. >> and now that's -- i respectfully disagree with you. fraud has been a problem in american politics for hundreds and hundreds of years. >> but not fraud by voters. >> yeah. i mean fraud by politicians or by precinct people that want to ship people in and figure out a way to get them voting. mark, is it -- is your understanding the same as far as if you decided to have someb...