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Lifetime, or what an actuary would say his life expectancy is, yet still they say he's our greatest deficit hawk, our real fiscal conservative. what happens to fiscal conservatives on the republican side that they think it's okay to just do all of this kind of budget cutting, tax cutting, and forget about deficits? >> well, they become obsessed with cutting taxes. i would like to just add that paul ryan voted in favor of the medicare expansion in 2003, an unfunded, new entitlement program. he basically torpedoed the simpson/bowles commission, by refusing to support it. and he essentially torpe...

Softer, from its initial version, way of moving medicare over to private insurance, or retain the option to be a normal medicare, but you pick from a bunch of private insurers too. >> that's the latest -- that's the thing that -- >> that is the new version. that is ryan 2.0. >> that he worked out with ron wyden. >> exactly. >> but that was never voted on or put into legislative language in any way. >> no, no, it is in the latest budget, in the second iteration of the budget, this year's budget, that is the version of support that is in there, to my knowledge. >> okay. >> but the big cut wednes...

Coming out of the ryan budget proposal is changing medicare as we know it. that has nothing to do with the obama health care bill and nuthing to do with what happened recently. that's the program that we had in place for decades. >> the republicans argument is, look, we're an aging population. we can't sustain this and, frankly, we're all living longer. something has to be done now, right? >> the argument is fundamentally incorrect when it comes to medicare. what is important to know, we have to cut medicare costs. there are two separate things happening. one is he privatizes it. if you privat...

Medicare and budget proposal you didn't write on the ballot? >> there are about 100 pages here of details. >> it guts medicare. >> changes maerd to essentially a voucher program. >> cuts social program. >> cuts the medicaid, food stamps, transit infrastructure. >> that is what is so controversial. >> the medicare conversation, thus far, has made me want to slam my head into a wall a thousand times. >> we're finding out what paul ryan has actually been up to in the last years. >> how many years of tax returns did you turn over to the campaign? >> is the tax return issue, is it gone? >> this tax...

In their bromance. >> budget plan. >> where's that romance? >> romance. >> why do you purposely put a medicare and budget proposal you didn't write on the ballot? >> there are about 100 pages here of details. >> it guts medicare. >> changes maerd to essentially a voucher program. >> cuts social program. >> cuts the medicaid, food stamps, transit infrastructure. >> that is what is so controversial. >> the medicare conversation, thus far, has made me want to slam my head into a wall a thousand times. >> we're finding out what paul ryan has actually been up to in the last years. >> how many years...