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A country is getting its energy from the person you want protection against or from the group you want protection against? >> because you understand when we stand together also dealing with russia, we are stronger. i think what we have seen is -- >> you're making russia richer. you're not dealing with russia. you're making russia richer. >> i think even during the cold war, nato allies have been trading with russia, even with disagreements with what kind of trade agreements. >> i think trade is wonderful. i think energy is a whole different story. i think energy is a much different story than ...

Russia, we are stronger. i think what we have seen -- >> no, you're just making russia richer. you're not dealing with russia. you're making russia richer. >> during the cold war, nato allies were trading with russia and there had been disagreements about what kind of trade arrangements -- >> i think trade is wonderful. i think energy is a whole different story. i think energy is a much different story than normal trade. and you have a country like poland that won't accept the gas. you take a look at some of the countries, they won't accept it because they don't want to be captive to russia. g...

Rules of the world are being ripped up unfairly. president putin suggesting that intimating that's president trump's fault. >> you know, keir, we have conversations around this table every day about the object lit ration of norms in this country whether it's at the justice department or the fbi or the intelligence community. but we don't talk enough about what you see, and that's the object lit ration of norms in terms of our diplomatic relations with adversaries. even russia finds this administration's conduct unsettling in terms of knowing where each side stands. >> yeah. what i saw today wa...

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