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Disarray. we don't know hot somebody else is. people in congress are -- we don't know who the somebody else is. if congress wants to debate something they should debate placing control of americans in a major military operation under foreign command. is that what we want? a french admiral commanding american troops? >> greta: i don't want to see d4hároops there. not that it is my call. i thought it was unwise to tell -- not the world but to tell qadhafi we weren't going to. we are just going to shoot from the air. once that's over we are gone. >> the worst outcome is qadhafi stays in power. t...

>> and now libya. >> now libya. and this master narrative, which mr. obama, president obama seems so resistant to. the idea the u.s. is eager to intervene in arab countries. do you see a strong difference between this, the character of this american intervention, and the other ones we just talked about, richard? >> well, i was sort of surprised. in the last several months, been touring the middle east, covering these revolts, and suddenly i woke up one morning, found myself covering an american war in libya. and it sort of came out of no place. i didn't see it coming. and i still look around a...

Term into account the -- thin cost change and the whole neighborhood is not exactly stable. at the same time [ unintelligible ] political reforms are needed all around the region. >> greta: minister, thank you. >> thank you. >> greta: joining us on the phone is jennifer griffin. >> reporter: i just want to clarify something about my reporting earlier tonight and today. earlier today i reported that fox news had not gone to qadhafi's compound. journalists from other outlets such as cnn and reuters had gone. i've since learned that fox did indeed go. tonight i learned that although reporter stev...

Western powers are trying to make room for people that may or may not be capable of filling that space. >> no doubt, this is a gamble for the president. people look at whether gadhafi stays or goes as a measure of president obama's strength in the world and what he is able to achieve. i think richard's right. sometimes you have to be careful of joining oppositions that aren't really in a position to win. you can create a moral hazard problem of getting other people elsewhere that begin campaigns against their government, they are not quite ready. those inspiring protesters in egypt were on the...

Development side. i think you will be impressed and hopefully your viewers will be impressed. >> greta: we will be watching carefully. now libya. what would you have done about libya? would you have done the same thing or something different from what the president is doing? >> first, we have one president and one commander in chief at a time. in these early hours and days when we have the lives of men and women in our armed forces at risk, we want to make sure we are as supportive as we can be. we have a situation where i call for a no-fly zone one of the earliest to do it some weeks ago. the...