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Ezra, when you look at this breakdown between leadership and some other republicans making some noise, what direction do you think we're headed in? >> nowhere good. so i think you see a couple things here. one, as much as i admire what senators graham and flake are saying, if they had the power that i wish they had in the republican party, we would have had a solution, say, on daca long ago. so i don't think you can look at them as the way of taking the temperature of where the center of the party. what i do think is surprising is how little instinct for self-preservation mcconnell and ryan ha...

Investigation to its completion without interference, absolutely. i am confident that he'll be able to do that. i received assurances that his firing is not even under consideration. >> not even under consideration. that sounds good. but it was more than considered. "the new york times" reported trump tried to fire mueller in june and was only blocked when his own white house counsel don mcgahn refused to ask the doj to dismiss mueller, saying he would quit instead. i'm joined by jennifer rubin, an msnbc contributor as well as ezra klein, editor at large at vox and host of the podcast "the ezr...

Which is, of course, a tweet. he tweeted, wow, i'm ahead of the field of evangelicals and so proud of this and virtually every group and ben carson just took a swipe at me. michael steele, referee this one. >> oh, heck no. where is this going in your heart? >> oh, nowhere good. i don't think that is a posture that ben carson wants to take. it's not very humbling or very christian to start questioning someone's faith or their tradition in that manner. there's no need to talk about that. as donald trump -- as donald trump points out, he needs to gain some grounds with evangelicals and this is on...

Never mind. sorry about that. >> i was wondering where you were going. >> nowhere good. >> it is a line of questioning i often end up at. >> do we put hand guns into the mix? >> i definitely don't want my 19-year-old carrying a firearm. >> neither do i. >> i believe in a right to defend one's self. >> are we worried about a girl leading to a dual in the hallway. >> they are smarter than that. >> they so are not. >> are you kidding me? >> maybe the girls you dated in college. trying to help you out. >> i windy accept tiffly. >> go ahead and make fun of texas. >> i am not going to make fun of te...

That impression. >> all right. here's donald trump's response, which is, of course, a tweet. he tweeted, wow, i'm ahead of the field of evangelicals and so proud of this and virtually every group and ben carson just took a swipe at me. michael steele, referee this one. >> oh, heck no. where is this going in your heart? >> oh, nowhere good. i don't think that is a posture that ben carson wants to take. it's not very humbling or very christian to start questioning someone's faith or their tradition in that manner. there's no need to talk about that. as donald trump -- as donald trump points out,...