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Special about the nra. they once were for background checks and now they're not. they dictate to the industry that you won't be involved in making guns safer. they have been behind campaigns to close shops that sell safer technologies. they've gone all in and all out and in many cases they've won. but in places like connecticut and new york and delaware and elsewhere, they're not winning the way that they won in the past. and people have got to stand up. i think that was the message that the president was trying to tell americans. we don't have to accept 30,000 deaths a year. we don't have to ...

Armed patrols, it was people like governor ronald reagan who pushed for gun control, who signed the mumford act which made it illegal to carry guns in public, in a car. the nra was all for that because at that time it was couched in the idea of stopping what they thought was a frightening black panther movement or black civil rights movement. they completely changed their minds about this issue. >> and another way and certainly in a more beneficial way back when we identified machine guns or automatic weapons with machine gun kelly and baby face nelson and those guys in chicago, the country wa...

Keep hearing is that if people didn't have guns, they'd simply use a knife. >> which is absurd. that's an absurd response -- >> explain to me why that's absurd. >> because that completely denigrates what the real conversation should be about and that's gun safety, right? we're not talking about stabbings. we're not talking about drownings. we're not talking about jumping off a building. we're talking about something we can control. we can actually have control over gun violence in this country, and, you know, if you think about the ways that the nr a -- and we've learned after each tragedy we ...

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