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Sensible gun laws, and, yet, the response that we have seen in recent days from members of the gun toting enthusiasts and the nra has been, to say the least, something that has dismayed me and very much disappointed me. i wonder what you make of some of that rhetoric. >> two things. number one, the battle on guns and reasonable forms of gun control didn't start after newtown. we've been doing it. there were mayors in the 1990s that were suing the gun manufacturers when i was governor of pennsylvania. it goes all the way back and predates columbine. each tragedy we resolve to do more. the good ...

Despite the nra giving so much backing and having so much invest ed in this president, is not really an nra guy. 14 years ago he was endorsing the assault weapons ban. he's really a democrat, only recently became a republican. he's on the side of let's do stricter background checks, let's make some changes. he's not a doctrinator of the nra as much as people think he is. >> i agree with you there's been a slow switch. they almost got somewhere after the newtown shooting, but it got nowhere. >> 26 senators voted against that bill. nine of those democrats are still in the senate. i think the dem...