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The election was stolen. they believe the big lie. it is even higher for people who use fox news as their main source of information or who trust it, i think it is like in the low 80s. how do you begin to even counter the big lie when you have that many people buying into it? >> it is difficult. and to be sure this was amplified by donald trump and his campaign. but it goes back so much farther. we have to remember that the idea of the big lie and why it was able to take hold is because decades lawmakers, particularly republicans, have used this, this idea of protecting against fraud, fraud th...

Respect away my rights i have no trust it in any you have. >> the thought of spending one more hour in a mask made my sick. sick because i can't breathe. literally sick because lack of oxygen gives me a killer headache after seven hours. even the box itself does not provide protection against covid-19. >> in the end, the rule is really just a tool for compliance. it has nothing to do with common sense law or science. [cheers and applause] >> steve: and they call it loudoun county because it's loud in the county. it was loud again last night. what is interesting about this is here comes a crowd...

Stand i'm not going to take the vaccine. i don't trust it, whatever his argument is, but he got tested every day, why couldn't he join the team? what do you make of that? >> well, i asked that same question, why can't he join the team? as mike barnicle said, he sends a dangerous message to people in a country that has too low vaccination rate. he has an important voice. people listen to him. we're talking about him, and so he's being unhelpful at a time when everybody needs to be helpful if we're going to get past this terrible pandemic. and, again, why doesn't he join the team? why doesn't he...

>> you trust it? >> i do trust it. i trust it because this was put together over a long period of time. much of this ultimately had to be negotiated between republican and democratic staffs. republican and democratic members. it would not have been put out this afternoon unless the facts were agreed to by both sides of the aisle. >> and i do want do ask you about the border. very quickly, the president's meeting with vladimir putin coming up in a couple of weeks in helsinki. do you think he's trying to exploit divisions in this country? do you lay this at the feet of vladimir putin almost in t...

Elections, he would have lost the election. hillary clinton outspent him. but it is still concerning. they have to rebuild their imag image. i think it tom perez has some more work to do. i think doing well in 2018 will help, though. if we perform strongly, if we hold some of the senate seats, i think that's will filter up, and if we have a strong candidates running in 2020, it is going to be a big primary, and i do think that they can rebuild that trust it. q. how damaged is the democratic establishment to voters, and does that impact them in any wa way? >> charles: i think it is devastating ...