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Jail time and increases the likelihood. and instead he'll go through a very embarrassing trial. without any real defense. i mean also suggested that perhaps he was the one who'd -- wasn't going to check the box. while you're going to have the gun dealer -- dealership owner who stood there was going to describe him doing that. >> martha: so why do you think that he did it shaw didn't plead guilty if you think it would be the easier way out for him here? >> because i think this is looking like a nullification strategy. gerry nott of -- notification is when you either explicitly or implicitly enc...

And i listen to their friends and see them interact, they are better than we are. they are better than we were. >> as far as cultivating a culture of dishonesty and division, perhaps the republican party should hold up a mirror. >> now, is the president easing racial tension or stoking racial tension? >> indeed, as long as the grand old party continues to practice nullification strategy of the old confederate south it's going to have a hard time winning new voters regardless of their color. jonathan, i'll go to you first. you wrote the gop might as well be dead. sure, the tweet was later corre...

There is a discredited legal theory called nullification that goes back into the 1800s. if there is a law on the books, and you can't change it legislatively, and you can't change it by winning at the ballot box, and you can't even get the courts to rule your way, then congress or states have taken steps to try to nullify laws and that happened with respect to slavery laws, with integration in the 1950s and '60s. what we're seeing in congress is a set of nullification behaviors. if we don't like obama care but can't beat it legislatively, let's defund it. let's actually shut down the entire fe...

This nullification strategy. if we can't get rid of a law we don't like, we're going to use the filibuster it defund, decapitate, or we'll use procedures to shut down the entire government of the united states. we can't let senate rules be used as a mechanism for what i call nullification behavior. >> all right, i want to thank senator tim kaine of virginia, for taking a few minutes to join us this morning. appreciate it. we'll pick this right up after this. ar so delicious. oh yeah. the cinna-sweet taste you just can't resist. cinnamon toast crunch. crave those crazy squares®. of their type ...