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I think it is much more than that. you talk about obamacare being rolled back. that's now in our culture. >> even people who claim to hate obamacare. >> here's the thing. president obama is not a dummy. the affordable care act is like jenga. you cannot pull out pieces without it falling apart. and i think one of the other most important things. it brought health care into public discussion. people know now. so my costs come from the insurance companies. it has been such a long time since we had intelligence conversations about health care. they have to be saying, i don't think anyone says i'll...

Or it's hated. why is that? >> if you look at the partisan correlation, you'll sigh why. it's heavily based on what part you you fwlong or identify with but the interesting thing about obamacare is that even if the republicans are successful in rolling back much of it when you ask specific questions a test ban treaty pillars of obamacare, including coverage for adult children, preexisting conditions, those are part of how obamacare is going to change the culture of health care and that's part of his legacy, too. i think it's more than that but when you talk about obamacare being rolled back, t...

I think it's more than that but when you talk about obamacare being rolled back, that's part of the culture. >> and people who claim they hate obamacare say they want the pre-existing conditions. >> and president obama isn't a dummy. the affordable care act is like jenga, you cannot pull out pieces and they knew that. the other thing is it brought health care into public discussion. people know now that it's like wait so my cost come from insurance companies and not how much medicine is made, it's been a long time since we've had policy conversations about health care, i don't think anyone wil...

Employees and $7.5 million, the smaller section of the small businesses is overlooked constantly. this would just i think lend weight to that. with someone that's -- >> i guess what i'm asking, carla, obamacare, some employees work for small businesses are enrolled in obamacare which eases the cost to the small business owner. if obamacare were repealed, would that hurt your business? >> yes. that would definitely be detrimental and i think the way this is shaping up so far is -- it looks more like a corporate takeover of government and policies. >> so frank, the same question to you. >> well,...

Obamacare. >> so you came away with the sense that these 7.5 million americans don't have anything to worry about. >> you can never quite say that ed. i'm not a lawyer but from being a doctor and a psychiatrist and watching people for a long time i would say that the vote is going to be there, 5-4 or 6-3. i think it will be in favor of obamacare being continued. the idea that john roberts would want his legacy to be "i threw 7 million people out of health care" is not the kind of thing that makes good sense. you think about that and i think he would find a way to work pretty hard to make this ...