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Which -- i read this account of donald trump talking about the bill and asking his advisers "is it really such a good bill?" because he had no command whatsoever and no curiosity to learn what was in the bill. i wonder what you think about the ways in which people looked at hillary clinton and thought, yeah, maybe she knows details but it doesn't inspire me and the importance of actually knowing what you're talking about when you're trying to pass legislation. >> well, obviously, needless to say, one would thing when you run for president of the united states as trump successfully did that you...

Basically he said, look, you're going to have a bloodbath in 2018 if we don't get this right. i have a counterintuitive question, trump rode to the white house on the wave of obamacare. the polling showless the hitch of obamacare isn't as great as they thought. some people, what they dislike about obamacare is because it didn't go far enough. >> yeah, i think that's right. the point you made earlier, a lot of the people who might be affected by this are people who might be benefitting from insurance from obamacare. on the other hand, i think it's really expensive for people in certain states. ...

Republicans are saying and they're in lock step. it is going to take a couple of years, people need to know that, but we are not going to have a broken health care system like obamacare has given us. >> all right. former republican senator kay bailey hutcheson, thanks for the time. >> thank you very much. going to take a quick break here. coming up, civil rights icon john lewis weighing in on donald trump's election with some very provocative comments. this is an exclusive interview with chuck todd just from a few minutes ago. >> you have forged relationships with many presidents. do you pla...

Because they're being blamed for this. if you try to get tax hikes your way, they don't necessarily get the desired result. but now the administration is seizing on the latest fiscal year numbers that show we had record tax revenues coming in. why is the deficit coming down, and they're attributing it to higher taxes. what do you say? >> i don't think that's what happening. you were at extremely low levels before, and any type of recovery whatsoever will bring revenues up and that's what is happening right now. we don't have a big recovery. we aren't anywhere near the range of tax revenues we ...

As obamacare has, no surprise that the numbers would drop if. >> no surprise. ronald reagan said this. it is the purpose ofvernment tos people, not run our lives. and the bottom line is this. with this administration, jon, we've seen more people depending on the government dole. we've seen more people accepting food stamps. now we have a president telling us what health care is good or isn't good for us. and with the rollout, it is a failure. jon: the "fox news poll" numbers that we took just a couple weeks ago showed very much the same thing. october 1st and 2nd the president had a job approv...