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E-mails that make part of the affordable care act that doesn't look good especially from people who've made up their mind that they don't want it to work. because they don't like the president. maybe he's of the wrong color, something of that sort. i've seen a lot of that. and i know a lot of that to be true. it's not something you're meant to talk about in public, but it's something i'm talking about in public because that is very true. >> it was regrettable and i would say offensive seeings i'm the only one in the room here talking about opposition for you to play the race card. that you wou...

Because of his race. this study was done on attitudes specifically about obamacare. when you look at the racial resentment index, it helps predict. it's not the only thing, not the one thing. >> thomas? >> i was going to say we can compare and contrast this to what the clintons tried to do in the early 1990s. the is is when i first started reporting. people were pulling their hair out over this because an unelected first lady was trying to upgrade our country's social contract and trying to win social policy in this country. that had never been done before in this country to that extent. that'...

Resentment a picture of the water poodle and tout it as kennedy's they have wildly different thoughts. race is playing a role in people's thoughts on this. and it is true that most people do not oppose obamacare because of race. the vast majority of people who don't like it don't like it because they don't trust the way it's implemented. as joe says you saw tremendous opposition from hillary and bill clinton when they -- that's why this stuff is very difficult to talk about. because you need to be able to talk about something that is real and hard and very, very offensive to people without pai...

In a majority white country. and unless i'm wrong, this is the first majority white country that has ever elected a person of the color. i must say, i have been behind closed doors with thousands of conservatives through the years. i have never once heard one of them say in the deep south or in the northeast or in south boston, boy, i really hate obamacare because that black president -- i never -- i've never heard anybody come close to saying that. and i have spoken to some wildly right wing groups. i have never heard it once. now, is there racism out there? yes, there's racism out there. i j...

I think that gives him some measure of protection whether that should overshadow all of these problems the va has had over his tenure at the head of the agency i think is a question that some of these lawmakers are grappling with. you know, the white house says they are going to wait for these reviews to finish. there's a preliminary review that shinseki is overseeing. we're supposed to get that next week. there's a broader review that nabors is to turn in in june. the question is will the political pressure mount from those on the campaign trail. this is almost the new obamacare question. wha...