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We have excellent intelligence on russia. it's different than many other countries. also in the case of this country it's different. >> they're not doing a lot of guessing when it comes to this. >> right, so i feel very confident having been in there and also this unanimous statement. but back to your question, i think it's going to start very warm, because donald trump has made it very clear it's going to start very warm, so has putin. but i don't think it's going to end very warm unless donald trump really sells the farm, if you will. because we have real interests at stake. our allies have ...

That have been taking place. by the way -- >> let me ask you on that, because the obama administration has been accused of boxing trump in. and to be fair, it was october 7 that the intelligence community identified russia as being behind this hacking, a full month before the election. the obama administration had enormous opportunity to take action like this weeks, even months ago. why just now? >> it probably took some time to figure out exactly what would be the best way. also note there were four individuals being accused of a federal crime, and there's money on their head for somebody to ...

Gorbachev, john f. kennedy, who had the showdown with russia, but also was trying to do the famous nuclear test ban treaty with the soviet union in the early '60s and wanted to go to the moon with russia at one point. but he's somebody looking out of the box for a big breakthrough in the international arena, to change what in donald trump's mind is the gridlock. so i think he can go in any direction. nuclear arms increase or reductions in the coming years. >> doug, trump is coming into office as one of the most unpopular president-elects in recent history. let's look at the poll. his approval ...

Road would be extraordinarily dangerous. and we know for a fact that putin wants to destabilize the european union and certainly nato. this has been a long-term goal of putin. why would he want to do that? so they can play whatever game they want in eastern europe, to once again dominate eastern europe as they did during the soviet period. this is a very serious situation, which i believe the next president is naive, and oh, my, we're going to go do an intelligence briefing now, next week? he's been offered intelligence briefings since even before he was elected in the november election, and m...

>> so what is -- what is vladamir putin's next move? is he waiting to read donald trump's actual actions once he takes office? >> what he ought to be reading now is that a man one week threatening a nuclear arms race and the next week giving putin a big, wet kiss. what's going on here? what is the position of this new president? and what is he trying to achieve? does he really want to do away with nato? does he really want japan and others to have nuclear weapons? you can't be on multiple sides of issues here. you have to be clear. you're dealing with a very dangerous situation. are we to igno...