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Of russia, "they have every intention of decapitating the government and installing their own government," there have been demonstrations across europe and across the world and even in russia, there is nonprofit group that monitors arrests around the world, especially in russia, when it comes to demonstrations. obd info says 1800 people have been arrested for demonstrating across the country. >> todd: expect that number to grow. rich, thank you. congressman peter mier joined us earlier, here is what he had to say about the u.s. strategy so far. >> getting caught in this reactive loop, instead ...

Movement against war and death. currently, at least 13,000 people have been detained in russia for protesting the war since it began. that's according to protest monitoring group obd info. joining our conversation, william taylor. john heilemann is still here. ambassador taylor, what is the -- what do experts believe is actually getting through to russians beyond alexei navalny's many, many, many millions of supporters? but potentially, cracking into putin's sort of hold on his base of support in that country. >> so, nicole, it's a very good question. we are seeing the journalists, the russian...