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Have to be completed. it's object doesn't have to be actually accomplished in order for the conspiracy to be illegal. the illegality is in the agreement to do the illegal thing. >> so, if you're merrick garland now and just reading what's in the public record, if you're just reading cnn.com or the papers this morning, is this in and of itself enough to empanel a grand jury? >> well, nothing in the paper is going to be enough to actually charge the crime. to empanel a grand jury, yes, i think they certainly now have enough information, evidence coming out through public sources and through what...

To play for everyone. >> that doesn't answer my question. when it comes to the new york times, it will be free. how about five years from now, ten years from now? >> i wish i had that kind of crystal ball, but i don't. >> so you won't commit that wordle will always be free. because it is free now. >> that's right. it is free. when it comes to the times, it will be free, and, yeah. >> this is being -- this is not a sherman-esque denial right now. >> i just -- yeah, it is hard for me to talk about anything five years in the future, ten years in the future. so, you know, all i can say is that the...

Said about the possibility of a pardon. let's listen. >> civil war, you know, to them this is the civil war they've been waiting for. you know a lot of these guys, a lot of these guys live for this. they've been waiting for this. they've been -- they spent their lives preparing for it. they look forward to it. there's an air of disappointment when it doesn't turn violence with these guys, i think. a lot of them. they hear it's their chance. they're afraid. he's speaking directly to the people who are afraid of being arrested now, i think. he's giving them an out. and now if they see this as th...