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They will lie about something big that will impact millions of americans. we can't let the trump administration ennoble a case of lying. they are trying to lend these lawyerly terms. the media chasing its tail about whether it's cultural elite task to insist on the objective truth being adhered to. this is something think point up to now will be called out for lying and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. >> thanks for being here this morning. >> thank you. >> after a quick break he was talking about what sean spicer said a few weeks ago to david axlerod. we'll show you that video r...

Allies think if openly -- how do we recruit people to spy for us. that does not inspire -- >> let me ask you a question. do you think trump doesn't know what objective truth is? >> i don't know. >> you're laughing, if someone called said tokyo is -- is questioning obvious information. >> he has been questioning on the sellable facts on what russia has been trying to do. every meeting starts with the fact, with an intelligence lay down briefed by the director of the cia director. they if he wipes that away and said i don't want to hear that. >> he is selectively -- do you

Trump doesn't know what objective truth is? >> i don't know. i can't get inside his head. but you're laughing. if somebody says, tokyo is the capital of japan, i mean, does he question obvious information? >> he's been questioning unassailable facts, like what russia was going to do. >> or that president obama was a legitimate president of the united states. >> that's right. every meeting starts with an intelligence laydown, and they established the facts that will govern how the policy decisions will be made. if he wipes that away, they're going to get the wrong answer. >> and he's selectivel...

His intelligence officials will be watching to see what al qaeda does, what china does, what isis does. >> if there's a troop movement somewhere, mobilization by the russians -- [ all speak at once ] >> perhaps the baltics, god hope that never happens because that's nato. >> what brennan told me in the interview yesterday, look, we need a president who knows this is credible, apolitical intelligence. what are our allies going to think if the president is openly questioning the integrity of the cia? you don't need the president going out, saying, i think what they're giving me is garbage. >> do...

No, he knows that the people who voted for him, and the hard-core trump supporters whenever he sends out a tweet that says the media did this and its outrageous, they're going to believe him no matter what the actual objective truth of the matter is. so that the way to keep people on his side is to keep people worked up. >> right. >> to a grand total of two electors going rogue against trump and four against hillary, yes, of course it has to be covered. but sort of interesting. should we now admit that this was blown out of proportion by the media, perhaps, wishing that maybe this was actually...