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Been launched. president of the united states refused to acknowledge that fact that the russians deliberately tried to influence the election and has not directed any activity to counter that threat. that is a national security threat that he is not in my view conducting his actual role as president by ignoring it and not bringing the whole of government response to address it. >> yeah. >> and so part of what the special counsel is trying to get at is why the president a, tried to shut down this investigation multiple times. so part of it speaks to the potential obstruction angle. and b, why f...

He will ultimately need to go to the president. as we keep hearing, he only has one shot at it. when he goz him, he's going to have to have clear in his 3450i7bd the types of things he already knows about the obstruction angle and also the things he knows about the potential collusion angle which is why the story today is so interesting. it shows he's not -- he's pursuing two paths of the investigation equally. not just the obstruction which is the more public-facing angle, but also the collusion and whether or not there was any coordination between the trump campaign and wikileaks. and now we...

Far more money to democratic candidates than bob mueller ever has. i mean and it's not even a close call. so you're right. when they say this is a democratic witch hunt and you have andrew mccabe, who i guess he's a republican, because he voted in the republican primary. but didn't vote in the general election, you basically have republicans around here, that are the main players in this so-called democratic, this democratic cover-up for hillary clinton. and this democratic witch hunt on donald trump. >> that's right. and i think we should also consider as we've been hearing about the special ...

Jeremy said earlier on the program that person of interest is really not a phrase that's used in fbi investigations or justice department prosecutions. so usually that language would pertain to the subject of the investigation or target. so it is very unclear and i think i know this is recent reporting. it is unclear of what it means. on the obstruction point, there is really is the obstruction angle is aery interesting legal angle that's developed and with the reporting that comes out in the past 24 hours or so regarding things that the president may have said to director comey when he was st...

That's the two simple lessons that can be inferred from this. >> we've got our fbi guy here. what do you think of that statement? >> i think it's a lesser charge. i think that because the schedule got delayed. there's probably a cooperation around a lesser charge. which may or may not have to do with are ush sha. we've seen more reporting on turkey which seems far more damning. we also should remember that while we've been focusing on the obstruction angle of this investigation this morning, this started as russian influence. and so russian influence isn't always just about money. it's also ab...