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Cooperate with mueller. >> are you going to talk to mueller? >> i'm looking forward to it, actually. >> you want to. >> there's been no collusion whatsoever. there is no obstruction whatsoever, and i'm looking forward to it. >> do you have a date set? >> i guess they're talking about two or three weeks, but i would love to do it. >> here to talk about it, frank fagluizzi, who in the past has worked for robert mueller, he's our national security analyst. and chuck rosenberg worked under both robert mueller and james comey when they were running fbi. he's also a former u.s. attorney himself and ...

Worked for robert mueller, he's our national security analyst. and chuck rosenberg worked under both robert mueller and james comey when they were running fbi. he's also a former u.s. attorney himself and a current msnbc contributor. gentlemen, welcome to you both. frank, you went to law school. how does this possibly add to an obstruction argument? >> yeah, so a key element of an obstruction of justice charge is intent. so tonight in the long string of conduct that we've had the president play out that all point to obstruction, it's this one, this intent to fire someone because you've learned...

Himself and a current msnbc contributor. gentlemen, welcome to you both. frank, you went to law school. how does this possibly add to an obstruction argument? >> yeah, so a key element of an obstruction of justice charge is intent. so tonight in the long string of conduct that we've had the president play out that all point to obstruction, it's this one, this intent to fire someone because you've learned they're looking at you for obstruction, it actually sounds like a bad law school exam question, you know. so you fire someone because they're looking at you for obstruction, is that obstructio...

>> martha: what do you think? >> it is not obstruction of justice, not even close. obstruction of justice is a crime. it has elements prior to senator is correct. there isn't any case ever prosecuted on these types of facts. so the question is, how significant is it that the president allegedly said these things? it isn't in my view inappropriate for some of these things to be set if they were said, but we have to distinguish between what is a crime or impeachable and what is bad form. you do not get indicted or impeached because you are clueless or because you are rude, because you say unguar...

Maxine waters, brennan, clapper. all of them. no evidence of collusion. >> case should be closed, total vindication. only one other thing. president obama. people are going to forget this but i want to remember because i handled this case in court. in the middle of a criminal investigation into the irs targeting of conservative organizations, in the middle of that investigation, the president of the united states said there was not even a smidge of corruption while the investigation was open and pending. did james comey write a memo about that? no. selective disclosure disorder. i've been sayi...